By Melanie Nathan, January 11, 2013.
UPDATED: 1/18/2013 10.30 am PST. Scott Lively GAY Hatemonger @OxfordUnion was due to speak last night in a debate re ‘gay rights’, but an alleged error saw him given the date of the Israel debate on 31st January instead. As Mr Lively had already arranged his travel around that date, the President-Elect of the Union has offered to schedule an additional event for him to speak on Friday 1st February.
We hope members of the UK LGBTI community make their voices heard.
By Melanie Nathan, January 11, 2013.
The Oxford Union, in the United Kingdom, which touts itself as is the “world’s most prestigious debating society, with an unparalleled reputation for bringing international guests and speakers to Oxford,” has invited known gay-hatemonger Scott Lively, director and founder of the Abiding Truth Ministries, classified by SPLC, as a hate group, as a guest to debate “Gay Rights, The House would be glad to have gay parents,” this month.
Indeed the Oxford Union may qualify for its claim, ‘prestigious,’ however any dignity it thought it may have afforded itself will go down the tubes the moment it actually opens the doors and provides a stage to Scott Lively.
Perhaps Maria Rioumine, firstname.lastname@example.org does not realize that Scott Lively is to the world’s LGBTI community what Hitler was to Jews in the early stages of the Nazi’s anti-Jewish scapegoating and rhetoric. Lively has been sued by Uganda’s LGBT community in Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG) vs, Scott Lively, for conspiracy to persecute gays under The Alien Tort Act, in the U.S.A.
However it is not only this charge, based on “crimes against humanity,” that raises the alarm against Oxford Union’s decision to invite this man, but also the credibility of the guest, by virtue of his own suspect writing, the hate speech and lies which stand alone as undesirable and reprehensible.
It is unfathomable that of all the people able to participate in such a debate, the Oxford Union would allow such an offensive guest on its role of esteemed. Does Oxford Union know that it has invited the author of The Pink Swastika, the re-write of history blaming the holocaust on the Gays, with a Nazi designed website to match? Not to mention The redeeming Rainbow and a Truth Abiding Ministries website that refers to homosexuality as a “global threat.”
(see Screen shot on the left taken from Truth Abiding Ministries Website)
That this is their choice to debate the issue of gay rights is an absolute travesty. Lively has online recorded Videos pushing for the persecution and is known to have actively advocated for The Kill the Gays in Uganda. All he can offer such debate is a continuation of lies. If he had fact to offer his opposition may be a worthy concomitant for such debate.
The essence of his argument, which is no secret, as referenced in his books and videos, are nothing but lies. I do not profess to be an expert on UK libel and hate speech laws, however given that such are stringent and not nearly as relaxed as in the USA, I have no doubt that Lively is going to find himself in some hot water. The question is what will Oxford Union’s liability be knowing that they have invited a man whose only debate criteria are proven lies and known to be hate speech.
Shame on You Oxford Union for even giving this known liar a voice on your hallowed grounds! Not to mention the other participants who in accepting the invitation seem comfortable giving the likes of Lively a voice, at all!
Scott Lovely has based his hate ministry in Springfield MA, and so I called GetEQUAL Massachusetts for comment. In the words of Cathy Kristofferson, State lead for GetEQUAL MA:
“Having just sat in the Springfield Federal Court Monday morning listening to arguments in the Crimes Against Humanity lawsuit filed against Scott Lively for the persecution he has wrought on the LGBTI community in Uganda, and hearing the judge present the situation of Lively’s actions and propaganda possibly causing similar harm as those of Goebbels in WWII, it is highly offensive to hear that a place as prestigious as Oxford Union would even consider inviting Scott Lively to participate.”
While Scott Lively continues to play the victim card, blaming gay rights activists for impinging on his freedom of speech, he does not seem to grasp that he has every right to free speech and to practice his religion in peace. However to lie while doing it is immoral and unacceptable. No organization, be it media or other, should provide a stage for known lies.
By the way what an insult to Tony Kushner’s esteemed work “Angels in America” which is being shown as part of the program.
This Article has been sent to Ms. Rioumine for comment.
Here is the Program as advertised on Oxford Union’s website:
Gay Rights Debate
- Event name: Gay Rights Debate
- Start date: 17/01/2013 20:30
- Duration: N/A
This House Would be Glad to Have Gay Parents
Speakers in Proposition:
- Richard Fairbrass – Gay rights activist and lead vocalist for ‘Right Said Fred’
- Benjamin Cohen – Technology correspondent for Channel 4 News, and founder of website Pink News
- Phyll Opoku-Gyimah – Active campaigner for black LGBT communities and co-founder of Black Pride UK
Speakers in Opposition:
- Winston McKenzie – Spokesman for UK Independence Party; former amateur boxing champion
- Scott Lively – US Attorney, author & campaigner
- Peter D Williams – Spokesperson for Catholic Voices & member of pro-life campaign group Right to Life
This debate will be preceded by a performance of Tony Kushner’s ‘Angels in America‘
UPDATE 1/18/2013 : IT SEEMS THAT SCOTT LIVELY WAS A NO SHOW under excuse of Administrative mistake and will apparently debate a different session in a fortnight. At the same time sources have informed us that Lively may not be allowed to enter the UK. See http://oblogdeeoblogda.me/2013/01/17/oxford-union-students-wants-gay-parents-in-huge-debate-win/
1/18/2013 10.30 am PST. Funny Scott Lively GAY Hatemonger @OxfordUnion was due to speak last night in a debate re ‘gay rights’, but an alleged error saw him given the date of the Israel debate on 31st January instead. As Mr Lively had already arranged his travel around that date, the President-Elect of the Union has offered to schedule an additional event for him to speak on Friday 1st February. Hope the UK people give him the welcome he deserves
By Melanie Nathan, email@example.com
- Why we must attend the SMUG v. Scott Lively Lawsuit in Court January 7, 2013 (oblogdeeoblogda.me)
- Video | Uganda LGBTI Activist Speaks out at Courthouse after Scott Lively Hearing (oblogdeeoblogda.me)
- Ugandan President Museveni and Scott Lively Play Gay (oblogdeeoblogda.me)
- Targeting United States Senators complicit with Evangelicals in the export of hate to Uganda to Kill the Gays (oblogdeeoblogda.me)
- Large crowd of U.S. Gay Activists at MA Federal Court to Support Ugandan Gays against Pastor Scott Lively (oblogdeeoblogda.me)
16 thoughts on “Hatemonger Scott Lively invited to debate Gay Rights at Prestigious Oxford Union”
He should not be allowed to enter the UK as his hate speech breaks
I think when it comes to this hate speech under UK law there has to be some underlying threat. I invite comments about this. Apparently the hate speech laws say that, re. sexuality, the behaviour must be ‘threatening’, not just ‘insulting’ or ‘abusive’ (so saying that same-sex relations is a ‘sin’ is legal, but saying something like “we must do whatever it takes to rid the world of homosexuality” would probably be a criminal offence, as would defamatory, or otherwise, statements about gays that could realistically lead to the material harm of individuals or a credible threat to public order). As you will see his one webpage calls homosexuality a global threat. Surely the underlying and very clear message is “get rid of homosexuals” and his behavior in conspiring in the Ugandan Kill the Gays Bill is certainly indicative of that. I am not sure if saying any of this off UK soil by a non UK resident is in fact subject to prosecution – but certainly should set the bar for whether he receives such an invitation by Oxford!
I am not a lawyer, but according to the article linked below, section 5 of the current Public Order Act reads:
“A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.”
That is, it is enough if the words are insulting; they need not be abusive or threatening. However, it was just proposed to delete insult as a sufficient ground:
Madam, Scott Lively is not a liar. He is a Bible-believing Christian. The views he expresses on moral issues are found in the Bible. In arguing against Pastor Lively’s views, you are fighting against God. If the Bible states that homosexuality is a sin (and it does) am I a liar and hateful if I believe it? We have our own blog and we will be encouraging many Christians to support Pastor Lively, a man who refuses to compromise despite persecution and death threats. Our blog address is…………………. (SORRY I AM NOT GOING TO PROMOTE YOUR BLOG CREAT YOUR OWN TRAFFIC FOR THAT)
And what about people who have no proof of God? what about those who are not Christians? DO they have to be Christians and believe the Christian Bible. Do they have to be Christians to give all humans the right to love any person that they are attracted to? NO they dont.,. Does the world only belong to Christians and Christian belief. Man must leave homosexuals alone ( and if you do believe in G-d let God be the Judge.)
You have no right whatsoever to try and convert everyone to your religion and by saying it is the ONLY TRUTH is a lie in itself. That said Lively is free to practice his religion in peace and quiet, but he is NOT free to hurt others while he is doing it. What gives Lively the right to impose his religion on me, when mine accepts my sexuality? I will not stop his church or his prayer but yes I will work to stop him taking my life away from me and my community Because our lives are equal to his! He can keep his church separate from y civil law and we will all be happy. He can keep his church out of uganda’s criminal law and we will all be happy. There will be no fight. he can be the Christian he wants to be in the privacy of his domain and I will be the religious lesbian i want to be in the privacy of my domain. AND when we meet on the street we can greet each other with a nod of the head and a wave of the hand and we need never say a single word more to each other. No one will be hurt.
SOME lies of Scott Lively
1. Gays cannot reproduce – Yes we can I am a lesbian and I have 2 children; My gay male friends down the road got together with lesbian friends and all had babies. Yes we did it and were able to maintain our loving relationships. There are thousands of same-sex partners in the USA with kids.
Modern society has paved the way for me to have children.
2. Gays hurt children – Its proven that more straight men defile children than gays – does that mean you should not be straight
3. Gays will recruit your children and take over the world – it is not possible to recruit people to be gay – you are either same-sex attracted or not. You can force someone to have an attraction
4. Gays are way too low in numbers by ratio to ever take over the world – and its a lie that they want to – gays want basic human rights to live and love in peace
5. Gays were the ones who plotted the holocaust Lively’s Book Pink Swastika _- history re-write and a lie all Lies.
6. Why does Lively ask that gays put to death and not people who eat Bacon – they are both said to be an abomination.
7. Lively takes all Bible refs to sodomy out of context . Nowhere in the Bible does it speak to loving relationships. All the sex abomination does is refer to adultery and rape and idol worship contexts. Lively picks and chooses who he wants to target via the Bible. he is a ‘selective literalist’ and such does not work for modern society – you cannot pick and choose what about the Bible you like and say its the ONLY word of God you should obey?
I could go on…. about the lies….
A man that encourages laws to kill gay people is not a victim but an Attacker. with no respect for basic human rights. If this is what you believe the the Bible’s message is then this says something about yourself as well. First you have no right to impose Christians rules and law on non Christians.
Belief, including religious belief, is a matter of opinion, not fact, the claim that the Bible is supposed to be the word of God, any god, is an opinion and the claiming it proves nothing in fact.
Your belief does not give you any right to say anyone should be killed for any reason. By the way some of the favorite subjects and beliefs of Christians were never said by Jesus himself. I am amazed how many Christians hide away from the sayings of jesus himself.
For those in the UK, this blog post below has things you can do to help like get down their with placards, write your MP, etc.
And “Object, and object loudly.”!
Scott Lively does NOT support the death penalty for homosexuals. By the way, we did not ask you to promote our blog, we gave our blog address should you or anyone who reads your articles wish to view it.
Your Blog does nothing more than perpetuate myth and lie. I am certainly not going to allow the link on my site – whether considered promotion or not. Scott Lively preaches about DEATH for GAYS. I can provide it to you with a new article and Video I have coming out on this BLOG – this week. Stand by and keep watching this site. You will soon see it. Right now Scott Lively is scared of the Court case against him and so he has back peddled. Yes, Scott Lively incited the Kill the Gays Bill in Uganda. It will soon be proved in a Court of law. That he got together with Ugandans and actively worked on the Anti-Homosexuality Bill which calls for the death sentence of gays.