I wrote this article forlezgetreal take a peek its a jaw breaker…. lezgetreal.com, Are Christian Anti-Gay Group/s Aiding & Abetting Lisa Miller’s Defiance of Court Order?, Dec 2009
” Surely there are similar precedents to draw upon involving hetro couples. Namely, situations where the mother’s male partner/husband is not the biological father, and has not adopted the child, but at some point had a supportive relationship to the child as a stepfather.
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 30, 2009 @ 2:32 pm“
I can think of anecdotal cases involving people I’ve known (in which case the former stepfather has no rights), but I’m not a legal scholar so I’d appreciate any info on the matter. Anyone?
Comment by Brad — December 30, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
If a warrant is issued for her arrest, anyone providing her with assistance would be aiding a fugitive. Somehow I doubt Debbie Thurman wants to do state or federal time. Since the State of Virginia is now supporting the Vermont Court as they are required, I would guess that Miller would flee south (perhaps even to Mexico). If anyone helps Miller flee Virginia, they are looking at federal penalties. Judges hold a dim view of those who flout court rulings. I wouldn’t expect much leniency in sentencing.
Comment by John — December 30, 2009 @ 1:12 pm
Unbelievably someone on the page made sense in pointing out that Miller hasn’t put herself in a good position and being on the run actually hurts Isabella.
Comment by a. mcewen — December 30, 2009 @ 1:15 pm
So much for Thurman’s lame excuse that she didn’t give Miller any legal advice. Always knew you were a BS’er Debbie, thanks for coming out of the closet and admitting it.
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 30, 2009 @ 1:29 pm
If Miller does not comply with the law and wants to play martyr – I say fine. She can send a few years handcuffed and locked in the can to think about the sin of kidnapping.
What Miller is doing is not holy. She is a poor role model who is mentally abusing her child. There will likely be massive shrink bills in the future for Isabella, thanks to Miller.
Her lawlessness is not to be compared to our nation’s founders. It is criminal behavior, profoundly irresponsible and deeply immoral. It disgusts me that these frauds are cynically co-opting American symbols in their politically based criminality.
It is a shame that Miller allowed herself to be used as a pawn in the Culture War Syndicate. I doubt her friends will visit her much in the hoosegow once she is no longer useful to their political games.
Comment by Wayne Besen — December 30, 2009 @ 1:52 pm
“So much for Thurman’s lame excuse that she didn’t give Miller any legal advice. Always knew you were a BS’er Debbie, thanks for coming out of the closet and admitting it.”
And you are deducing this how, exactly?
Comment by Debbie Thurman — December 30, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
You really are a piece of work Debbie. You just admitted the truth in your own blog, praising miller for the kidnapping, calling it “true motherhood”. Now of course in your Christian world where black is white and bad is good, you’ll have some pathetic excuse for how your actions are really the opposite of what you’ve done, but we’re not stupid and we’re not buying any of your BS. “
Comment by Priya Lynn — December 30, 2009 @ 2:32 pm
THURMANS WEBSITE is located at http://debbiethurman.com/dt_files/aboutdebbie.php
lezgetreal.com, Are Christian Anti-Gay Group/s Aiding & Abetting Lisa Miller’s Defiance of Court Order?, Dec 2009
You should read the whole article.
ALSO PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING QUOTED COMMENTS FROM THE LiSA MILLER FAN CLUB ON FACE BOOK. THESE POEPLE SHOULD ALL BE QUESTIONED BY THE FEDS ON THE MISSING CHILD.
“RECENT ACTIVITYJames Equality Troia and 5 other members discussed NJ Judge Rules Against Gay Couple on the Only One Mommy: The Story of Lisa and Isabella Miller discussion board.Marlene Bomer discussed Article: Woman fails to give up child to former partner on the Only One Mommy: The Story of Lisa and Isabella Miller discussion board.Veev Geeg discussed Thanking God for Lisa and Isabella’s Protection on the Only One Mommy: The Story of Lisa and Isabella Miller discussion board.Drew Taggart, Veev Geeg and Laura Marie discussed Article: Woman fails to give up child to former partner on the Only One Mommy: The Story of Lisa and Isabella Miller discussion board.
Drew Taggart Worth noting… here is Lisa’s interview with LifeSiteNews last year. Recent articles leave much of the details regarding her reasoning out.
Drew Taggart Well Jenkins has filed a ‘missing persons’ report on Isabella. The
good news is that the county attorney Marc Brierre doesn’t sound real
keen on pursuing charges against Lisa (near the end of the article), which tells me there are some
glimmers of light in an otherwise dark situation. As there are
‘insinuations’ of sexua…l abuse by Lisa against Jenkins
(http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08102707.html), I don’t think
anyone in their right mind wants to be the person who stuck a seven
year old girl in a potentially abusive situation… that makes for ‘bad
headlines’ later on and ruins a promising political career…
Candace Hebert Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
Linda Marie Wall For any Christians questioning civil disobedience, read your new testament;that’s what true believers did.They obeyed God rather than men when the time came.
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Beth Hurst it will not go well for anyone who chases after Isabella to put her under the influence of those given to evil. Consider Prov 23:10,11 “Do not move an ancient boundary stone or encroach on the fields of the fatherless, for their Defender is strong; He will take up their case against you.”
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Linda Marie Wall Enjoy, Debbie. But for some, holidays are not a part of job specifications. The devil and his third fallen angels don’t observe man made traditions of holidays neither do the watchmen on the walls.
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Debbie Thurman I am taking time off to be with my family today and will not be available for comment or to referee any food fights that might break out here. I would prefer that all you folks go and do likewise. It is New Year’s Eve. Moreover, please spend time in prayer today. I’ve had a considerable amount of prayer time already th…is morning. Sure got my day off to a good start. If you adults cannot play nice here, when I come back I will delete all offensive comments and ban the offenders. As you can see, I give a wide berth to commenters, regardless of ideology. Please don’t abuse that privilege.
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Rachel Vernae Marcussen I almost can’t believe this! I’m just shocked!
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Austin Buckley This past summer Lisa gave me the devotional book “Streams In the Desert”. I treasure it and read it often.The reading for December 30 spoke of the time in Acts 12 when Peter was in prison facing insurmountable difficulties and exectution. The church had no human power or influence to change the situation. So they earn…estly prayed with “believing prayers” and the iron gates were opened. Emergencies call for intense prayer. When the man becomes the prayer nothing can resist its touch. Lisa I am praying for you with “believing prayers” that the gates in your life will be brought down!
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Lisa and Isabella face the Red Sea. The same God will open up the waters. We may not see it yet, but He is faithful and He is being glorified.
Every time the article runs and says Lisa left homosexuality and is an evangelical Christian, those trapped in homosexuality know deliverance is possible with God.
Lucía Ponce I just read about Lisa and Isabella’s story and will be praying for our Heavenly Father to look after them. May His justice come forth in this case.
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Stephanie Avienu Praying for Lisa and Isabella- and for Janet. I’m in Vermont- is there anything I can do to help?
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The sodomites deliberately chose Vermont many years ago to infiltrate and take control of the legislature there in order to do exactly what they have done in your state.
Drew Taggart Psalm 69:4 : Those who hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of my head; Those who would destroy me are powerful, being wrongfully my enemies; What I did not steal, I then have to restore.
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Crystal Lévesque 1 Timothy 6:12 :
Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold
of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good
confession in the presence of many witnesses.
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Rena Lindevaldsen Legal Update end of day Wed: While we await the VA Court of Appeals decision on enforcement, TODAY the Bedford County Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court issued an order stating that the VT order transferring custody to Janet Jenkins is ENFORCEABLE in VA. Thus, sadly, until we hear otherwise from the VA Court of Appe…als, it looks like VA is going to enforce this VT order which should be unenforceable given VA’s laws defining marriage and family as headed by a mom and a dad.
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Desiree Pettiford Am I missing something? I feel like I’ve just awakened from a nightmare into a bad dream. I am confused. Would someone care to fill me in ~ please and thank-you very much ~ since I must have come in on the tail end of what is going on. I feel llike I’m in a whirlwind and I the feeling is very uncomfortable.
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Meleah Bishop Allard As a mother and former lesbian of 10 years, and having raised my daughter in a homosexual relationship for 8 of those years…I’m so grateful that I was not faced with the decision Lisa is faced with. When I left my partner, gave my life back to Christ and changed my homosexual orientation, I did not have to battle for… MY child. My partner had the decency to realize that Tiffany was MY child not hers. Thank you Deb for being a decent person. Thank you Jesus for your protection!! Thank you Lisa for being the hero that you are to all of us. Your Heavenly Daddy is with you! Praying for you sister in Christ!
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Furthermore 1 COR 6 is NOT about custody. It is referring to what we would call “torts” although Roman law had no such distinction.
The first amendment states that CONGRESS shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of religion. Did you know that STATES still had established religions after the constitution. The idea we live in a secular state is a fairly new “Progessive” interpretation. DID YOU KNOW THAT? The misinterpretation of the first amendment is a real pet peeve for my Constitutional Lawyer husband. It is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM…. See More
And perhaps if the Bible were still allowed in court and more judges read it and followed it this country wouldn’t be in the mess it is in.
BTW, ad hominum attacks are a sign you can’t carry the argument.
I have no issue with if a lesbian was “treated fairly” I expect ALL who come before the court to be treated fairly. I AM upset that a non-biological parent, who has had issues regarding the child is given custody of a child that she has no reasonable rights to (VA law specifically DOES NOT recognize VT ‘civil unions’), and the wished of the biological mother is nullified. All in the name of “gay rights”.
The judgment is flawed and smacks of political overtures. It basically takes a child away from a parent without cause (abuse etc.) because it is PC.
Psalm 6:2 :
Be merciful to me, LORD, for I am faint; O LORD, heal me, for my bones are in agony.
69:23 May their eyes grow dim so that they cannot see, And make their loins shake continually. Pour out Your indig…nation on them, And may Your burning anger overtake them.
I don’t care what anyone says, what these judges have said. Isabella is Lisa’s daughter! Not Janet’s! God didn’t bring Lisa and Isabella this far to have this be the end result!
Keep the faith! Keep praying everyone!!! Nothing is too big or impossible for our Father!
I advise everyone who believes on go on E-bay and acquire a copy of A Christian Manifesto by Francis A. Schaeffer. Make sure you read Chapters 7/8 on civil disobed…iencce.
If you do not take “a mark of the beast” you will be guilty of civil disobedience.